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	<title>Comments on: Dialogue: Travel is Training</title>
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	<description>i believe in a life of adventure</description>
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		<title>By: Rua Lupa</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/06/18/dialogue-travel-is-training/#comment-5477</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rua Lupa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Just because something is awesome doesn’t mean it will build X skill&quot;

So what I was trying to say was, just because finding what you are good at and your purpose is awesome, doesn&#039;t mean it will build a Hero skill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just because something is awesome doesn’t mean it will build X skill&#8221;</p>
<p>So what I was trying to say was, just because finding what you are good at and your purpose is awesome, doesn&#8217;t mean it will build a Hero skill.</p>
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		<title>By: Rua Lupa</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/06/18/dialogue-travel-is-training/#comment-5476</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;ve missed the point. The example was expressed to mean something different from what was understood. 

&lt;i&gt;Hero training&lt;/i&gt; (lets just say that involves travel for this example) to be ready to be a &lt;i&gt;Hero&lt;/i&gt;, you end up &lt;i&gt;doing what you are good at&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;finding your purpose&lt;/i&gt; as a side bonus.

&lt;i&gt;Walking&lt;/i&gt; to get &lt;i&gt;healthy&lt;/i&gt; and you end up &lt;i&gt;being able to jump easily&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;higher than before&lt;/i&gt; as a side bonus.

The point was not to be able to jump higher or better, the point was to get healthy.

For a hero, the point was not to find what you are good at or finding your purpose, the point was to be able to be a hero when needed.

At least that was the explanation I was trying to express.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve missed the point. The example was expressed to mean something different from what was understood. </p>
<p><i>Hero training</i> (lets just say that involves travel for this example) to be ready to be a <i>Hero</i>, you end up <i>doing what you are good at</i> and <i>finding your purpose</i> as a side bonus.</p>
<p><i>Walking</i> to get <i>healthy</i> and you end up <i>being able to jump easily</i> and <i>higher than before</i> as a side bonus.</p>
<p>The point was not to be able to jump higher or better, the point was to get healthy.</p>
<p>For a hero, the point was not to find what you are good at or finding your purpose, the point was to be able to be a hero when needed.</p>
<p>At least that was the explanation I was trying to express.</p>
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		<title>By: Rua Lupa</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/06/18/dialogue-travel-is-training/#comment-5475</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having your head covered and being dropped in the middle of the nowhere without technology - you&#039;ll stay put and have to deal with it. That&#039;s how some medicine folks arrange fasts (that being done in wilderness settings though). But I think the Outward Bound solo trips would be a safer way to go about it (injuries still happen as the risks are not removed, because they are the point)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having your head covered and being dropped in the middle of the nowhere without technology &#8211; you&#8217;ll stay put and have to deal with it. That&#8217;s how some medicine folks arrange fasts (that being done in wilderness settings though). But I think the Outward Bound solo trips would be a safer way to go about it (injuries still happen as the risks are not removed, because they are the point)</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Jacob</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/06/18/dialogue-travel-is-training/#comment-5473</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drew Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A solo aspect would certainly increase the amount of self-reliance needed, but since you can still call someone or give up and go home, I suggest it would not force as much self-reliance as being a stranger in a strange place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A solo aspect would certainly increase the amount of self-reliance needed, but since you can still call someone or give up and go home, I suggest it would not force as much self-reliance as being a stranger in a strange place.</p>
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		<title>By: Rua Lupa</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/06/18/dialogue-travel-is-training/#comment-5472</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rua Lupa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I can&#039;t say that they forced me to minor crises or taught me how to handle crisis all on my own&quot;

This is why I figured a solo aspect would be key in such activities. Which can be done without going far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can&#8217;t say that they forced me to minor crises or taught me how to handle crisis all on my own&#8221;</p>
<p>This is why I figured a solo aspect would be key in such activities. Which can be done without going far.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Jacob</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/06/18/dialogue-travel-is-training/#comment-5467</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drew Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it frustrating that people who don&#039;t travel confidently tell me the non-travel options are just as good, and when I disagree, they suggest I haven&#039;t tried non-travel options. I have.

The non-travel suggestions you made are:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Like volunteering with the YMCA, helping a local farmer, getting in touch with local conservationists or parks to help with rehabilitation, or in the health sector in caring for the elderly or sick.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have volunteered for local orgs; I have helped farmers; I have worked (professionally and as a volunteer, on campaigns and &quot;on the ground&quot; outdoors) for conservation efforts; I have not volunteered in the health sector, but I have worked with the sick in my Temple community.

I have enjoyed and benefited from these activities in many ways. Still, I can&#039;t say that they forced me to minor crises or taught me how to handle crisis all on my own. In all these contexts, I had both (a) people around me to give me advice, answers or directions and (b) a way out. If I got fed up I could go home, I could quit. I had friends and colleagues around me as I did these things. People who understood me and who I could count on. 

In other words, each of the activities you suggested failed to provide me with the immersive you-must-make-your-own-way experiences that travel has given me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it frustrating that people who don&#8217;t travel confidently tell me the non-travel options are just as good, and when I disagree, they suggest I haven&#8217;t tried non-travel options. I have.</p>
<p>The non-travel suggestions you made are:</p>
<blockquote><p>Like volunteering with the YMCA, helping a local farmer, getting in touch with local conservationists or parks to help with rehabilitation, or in the health sector in caring for the elderly or sick.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have volunteered for local orgs; I have helped farmers; I have worked (professionally and as a volunteer, on campaigns and &#8220;on the ground&#8221; outdoors) for conservation efforts; I have not volunteered in the health sector, but I have worked with the sick in my Temple community.</p>
<p>I have enjoyed and benefited from these activities in many ways. Still, I can&#8217;t say that they forced me to minor crises or taught me how to handle crisis all on my own. In all these contexts, I had both (a) people around me to give me advice, answers or directions and (b) a way out. If I got fed up I could go home, I could quit. I had friends and colleagues around me as I did these things. People who understood me and who I could count on. </p>
<p>In other words, each of the activities you suggested failed to provide me with the immersive you-must-make-your-own-way experiences that travel has given me.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Jacob</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/06/18/dialogue-travel-is-training/#comment-5464</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drew Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right, and that is a very ineffective way of increasing your jumping power or jump height. If someone says &quot;I want to compete in the high jump event&quot; and wants to know how to train for it, saying &quot;walk everyday&quot; is a bad answer. Not because walking every day is wrong - it&#039;s one of my favorite activities and it&#039;s extremely health and enjoyable. But for someone fixed on the high-jump goal it&#039;s a bad recommendation (on its own).

This is what all the examples and suggestions I&#039;ve been given come down to. Just because something is awesome doesn&#039;t mean it will build X skill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, and that is a very ineffective way of increasing your jumping power or jump height. If someone says &#8220;I want to compete in the high jump event&#8221; and wants to know how to train for it, saying &#8220;walk everyday&#8221; is a bad answer. Not because walking every day is wrong &#8211; it&#8217;s one of my favorite activities and it&#8217;s extremely health and enjoyable. But for someone fixed on the high-jump goal it&#8217;s a bad recommendation (on its own).</p>
<p>This is what all the examples and suggestions I&#8217;ve been given come down to. Just because something is awesome doesn&#8217;t mean it will build X skill.</p>
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		<title>By: Rua Lupa</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/06/18/dialogue-travel-is-training/#comment-5447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rua Lupa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was fully aware that those examples could involve &quot;traveling&quot; but don&#039;t have to. If they do, the big difference is that its not about the journey to the destination, but the destination itself. Which need not be far to do, it could very well be in the next province/state, neighborhood or even in your neighborhood. And some people would be vacationing anyway and decide to alter it to be more meaningful while they are there, plus it can be more family friendly this way. All previous readings on travel here had always been about the journey, which why I mentioned these. Also, these examples are often far from resort-esqe experiences as suggested, your tenting for the most part (have known others who&#039;ve done it - particularly an Austrian couple).

It pleases me that you find the other examples astute. If you question the immersive, direct and dramatic experience, I&#039;d suggest doing it yourself, but I hear your on some sort of crazy ass long adventure so it may not be in the cards - still might be able to do it along the way for brief periods. Another option would be to interview those who have volunteered in these sorts of jobs. Having done some of these things, I personally don&#039;t question the possibility for immersive, direct and dramatic experience. Especially when working with large domestic animals, or aggressive/demanding people in service work. I also know a lot of people who swear by gaining much from simply gardening, especially when it involves community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was fully aware that those examples could involve &#8220;traveling&#8221; but don&#8217;t have to. If they do, the big difference is that its not about the journey to the destination, but the destination itself. Which need not be far to do, it could very well be in the next province/state, neighborhood or even in your neighborhood. And some people would be vacationing anyway and decide to alter it to be more meaningful while they are there, plus it can be more family friendly this way. All previous readings on travel here had always been about the journey, which why I mentioned these. Also, these examples are often far from resort-esqe experiences as suggested, your tenting for the most part (have known others who&#8217;ve done it &#8211; particularly an Austrian couple).</p>
<p>It pleases me that you find the other examples astute. If you question the immersive, direct and dramatic experience, I&#8217;d suggest doing it yourself, but I hear your on some sort of crazy ass long adventure so it may not be in the cards &#8211; still might be able to do it along the way for brief periods. Another option would be to interview those who have volunteered in these sorts of jobs. Having done some of these things, I personally don&#8217;t question the possibility for immersive, direct and dramatic experience. Especially when working with large domestic animals, or aggressive/demanding people in service work. I also know a lot of people who swear by gaining much from simply gardening, especially when it involves community.</p>
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		<title>By: Rua Lupa</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/06/18/dialogue-travel-is-training/#comment-5445</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rua Lupa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nah, its more like your walking to get healthy and you end up being able to jump easier and higher as a side bonus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, its more like your walking to get healthy and you end up being able to jump easier and higher as a side bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Jacob</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/06/18/dialogue-travel-is-training/#comment-5430</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drew Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it interesting that some of your examples that are meant as alternatives to travel - such as WWOOFing or ecovacations - themselves involve travel.

I find your other examples astute and likely to be of some use, but I question whether they really are as immersive, direct and dramatic in forcing one to develop these skills as non-resort traveling is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that some of your examples that are meant as alternatives to travel &#8211; such as WWOOFing or ecovacations &#8211; themselves involve travel.</p>
<p>I find your other examples astute and likely to be of some use, but I question whether they really are as immersive, direct and dramatic in forcing one to develop these skills as non-resort traveling is.</p>
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