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		<title>By: Drew Jacob</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/08/24/how-to-sleep-sitting-up/#comment-7543</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 04:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Laure. These are great points and great questions. I&#039;d love to know more about the posture issues caused by extended sitting, and whether that was using controlled posture as recommended here or if it involved non-ergonomic sitting such as at a computer, etc. Do you happen to know the answer to that?

I don&#039;t know much about sciatica and I&#039;m not a doctor, so I don&#039;t think I can give advice on whether upright sleeping might be right for you. I would definitely consider the posture you used last time though and ask yourself if that may have been part of the cause. The steps described here have helped me successfully maintain a comfortable posture throughout the night and wake up without any neck or back problems, but I would talk to a doctor before attempting it if you&#039;re not sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Laure. These are great points and great questions. I&#8217;d love to know more about the posture issues caused by extended sitting, and whether that was using controlled posture as recommended here or if it involved non-ergonomic sitting such as at a computer, etc. Do you happen to know the answer to that?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know much about sciatica and I&#8217;m not a doctor, so I don&#8217;t think I can give advice on whether upright sleeping might be right for you. I would definitely consider the posture you used last time though and ask yourself if that may have been part of the cause. The steps described here have helped me successfully maintain a comfortable posture throughout the night and wake up without any neck or back problems, but I would talk to a doctor before attempting it if you&#8217;re not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Laure</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In nursing school, we learned about the dangers of being a bed for too long.  More recently, we have learned that prolonged sitting isn&#039;t good either - promoting a head-forward posture and other back issues.  And I learned the hard way that it can cause sciatica. A car accident 18 months ago had me sleeping-sitting-up for 6 weeks, and I&#039;ve definitely used the sleep-sitting-up approach when I had too much nasal congestion and allergies to use my cpap successfully (for apnea), but it led to problems with my posture.    Still, I was always so much more refreshed after sleeping sitting up than I was after a night laying down (with or without the machine).  I&#039;m encouraged to try sitting up at night again, but I don&#039;t actually want another bout with sciatica.  Do you know any sitting-sleepers with tips for people who already have back/posture issues?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In nursing school, we learned about the dangers of being a bed for too long.  More recently, we have learned that prolonged sitting isn&#8217;t good either &#8211; promoting a head-forward posture and other back issues.  And I learned the hard way that it can cause sciatica. A car accident 18 months ago had me sleeping-sitting-up for 6 weeks, and I&#8217;ve definitely used the sleep-sitting-up approach when I had too much nasal congestion and allergies to use my cpap successfully (for apnea), but it led to problems with my posture.    Still, I was always so much more refreshed after sleeping sitting up than I was after a night laying down (with or without the machine).  I&#8217;m encouraged to try sitting up at night again, but I don&#8217;t actually want another bout with sciatica.  Do you know any sitting-sleepers with tips for people who already have back/posture issues?</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Jacob</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/08/24/how-to-sleep-sitting-up/#comment-6323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drew Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 16:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cole, thank you for this comment. First off, your &quot;I came across this:&quot; link seems to be missing. 

But to your other concern, you are right about DVT. It can even happen sitting still on long flights, etc. Here are my thoughts on it.

I&#039;m not a doctor, and I recommend talking to a physician before trusting anything I say :) But I am aware that some people are at higher risk of DVT than others. If someone who suffers from obesity, diabetes, low blood pressure or poor circulation (among other factors) there is a high risk of DVT. I doubt someone in those categories should consider upright sleeping.

If DVT is a concern, there are special socks designed to prevent it from happening. These are sometimes prescribed to patients at high DVT risk. The socks are specially fitted to put pressure on the foot, ankle and leg and keep the blood flowing. These can be worn on long flights, or after surgery when someone is immobile, to help prevent DVT.

It&#039;s also worth noting that sleeping upright does not require bent legs. For instance I often stretch my legs out straight in front of me, especially when sleeping outside. If you have a good upright sleeping posture the outstretched legs won&#039;t affect your stability, though you will not stay as warm as you will with crossed legs. 

Again, these are just my armchair thoughts. If you are at a high DVT risk (or have any other conditions that might be affected by changing your sleep posture) &lt;em&gt;please&lt;/em&gt; talk to a doctor before trying it!

And thanks for asking this. Welcome Rogue Priest!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cole, thank you for this comment. First off, your &#8220;I came across this:&#8221; link seems to be missing. </p>
<p>But to your other concern, you are right about DVT. It can even happen sitting still on long flights, etc. Here are my thoughts on it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a doctor, and I recommend talking to a physician before trusting anything I say :) But I am aware that some people are at higher risk of DVT than others. If someone who suffers from obesity, diabetes, low blood pressure or poor circulation (among other factors) there is a high risk of DVT. I doubt someone in those categories should consider upright sleeping.</p>
<p>If DVT is a concern, there are special socks designed to prevent it from happening. These are sometimes prescribed to patients at high DVT risk. The socks are specially fitted to put pressure on the foot, ankle and leg and keep the blood flowing. These can be worn on long flights, or after surgery when someone is immobile, to help prevent DVT.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that sleeping upright does not require bent legs. For instance I often stretch my legs out straight in front of me, especially when sleeping outside. If you have a good upright sleeping posture the outstretched legs won&#8217;t affect your stability, though you will not stay as warm as you will with crossed legs. </p>
<p>Again, these are just my armchair thoughts. If you are at a high DVT risk (or have any other conditions that might be affected by changing your sleep posture) <em>please</em> talk to a doctor before trying it!</p>
<p>And thanks for asking this. Welcome Rogue Priest!</p>
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		<title>By: Cole Matthews</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/08/24/how-to-sleep-sitting-up/#comment-6308</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cole Matthews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 14:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Drew, 

I read your article over at The Minimalists, but I&#039;m a speculative person. I really like the idea of sitting up and of course, Buddhist nuns seem to be very healthy people. But, why hasn&#039;t this idea been addressed before? And although I had news sites, I came across this:

However, sleeping upright does present some concerns. First of all, sitting motionless with bent limbs for more than a couple of hours can lead to the development of deep vein thrombosis, a type of blood clotting in large veins which can be fatal if it travels to the lungs. (Source: slate.com)

What is your response to this? Is it valid? Thanks for your time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Drew, </p>
<p>I read your article over at The Minimalists, but I&#8217;m a speculative person. I really like the idea of sitting up and of course, Buddhist nuns seem to be very healthy people. But, why hasn&#8217;t this idea been addressed before? And although I had news sites, I came across this:</p>
<p>However, sleeping upright does present some concerns. First of all, sitting motionless with bent limbs for more than a couple of hours can lead to the development of deep vein thrombosis, a type of blood clotting in large veins which can be fatal if it travels to the lungs. (Source: slate.com)</p>
<p>What is your response to this? Is it valid? Thanks for your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drew Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing that Ona. I think the more people can see that others do it successfully, the less timid they are about trying it themselves. Let me know if you do try it for all-night sleep! And welcome to Rogue Priest :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing that Ona. I think the more people can see that others do it successfully, the less timid they are about trying it themselves. Let me know if you do try it for all-night sleep! And welcome to Rogue Priest :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ona</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 18:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great idea. I stumbled on the ability by accident (after years of meditating sometimes included falling asleep during meditation and/or the deep states the first commenter mentioned) and it makes for great convenience on long flights, in waiting rooms, or just for naps. Never tried doing it all night, but that could be interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea. I stumbled on the ability by accident (after years of meditating sometimes included falling asleep during meditation and/or the deep states the first commenter mentioned) and it makes for great convenience on long flights, in waiting rooms, or just for naps. Never tried doing it all night, but that could be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Jacob</title>
		<link>http://roguepriest.net/2012/08/24/how-to-sleep-sitting-up/#comment-6207</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drew Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 03:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so happy! I strongly suspected this would be therapeutic and help people with conditions like sleep apnea, but I hadn&#039;t even thought of things like TMJ. Thanks for telling me this, Mom of 5, and welcome to Rogue Priest!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so happy! I strongly suspected this would be therapeutic and help people with conditions like sleep apnea, but I hadn&#8217;t even thought of things like TMJ. Thanks for telling me this, Mom of 5, and welcome to Rogue Priest!</p>
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		<title>By: Wife and Mom of 5</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wife and Mom of 5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 02:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I began attempting this about a week ago and am already falling asleep and staying asleep most of the night.  I have TMJ and use a mouth piece yet have always awoken with a sore jaw and neck.  I also usually awake with a sore back, hip or wrist in spite of sleeping on a Tempur Pedic bed.  I have had NO pain or soreness since I have begun sleeping sitting up.  I sleep in bed next to my husband, but sitting.  I use a triangle pillow rather than a board to get the 70 degree angle.  This has been the best new &quot;adventure&quot; I have tried in years.  Thank you for sharing this info. and giving details in how to succeed at it.  Thanks to your sister too!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I began attempting this about a week ago and am already falling asleep and staying asleep most of the night.  I have TMJ and use a mouth piece yet have always awoken with a sore jaw and neck.  I also usually awake with a sore back, hip or wrist in spite of sleeping on a Tempur Pedic bed.  I have had NO pain or soreness since I have begun sleeping sitting up.  I sleep in bed next to my husband, but sitting.  I use a triangle pillow rather than a board to get the 70 degree angle.  This has been the best new &#8220;adventure&#8221; I have tried in years.  Thank you for sharing this info. and giving details in how to succeed at it.  Thanks to your sister too!</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drew Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That sounds spot-on to me. Well, the part about what the sleep state feels like; I know nothing about brain waves. Interestingly, a friend told me that a primitivist teacher talks about a similar sleep state when &quot;cold sleeping&quot; out in the wild.

Thank you for sharing this, Grace!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds spot-on to me. Well, the part about what the sleep state feels like; I know nothing about brain waves. Interestingly, a friend told me that a primitivist teacher talks about a similar sleep state when &#8220;cold sleeping&#8221; out in the wild.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing this, Grace!</p>
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		<title>By: Grace Bezanson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grace Bezanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was wondering what you would do with the head if you normally have the wobbly head issue--so a head seat belt would do the trick! 

What you said at the end about a better but lighter sleep made me think of yoga nidra, as least from what I know about and have tried. It sounds like you are resting in a different brain wave than what one normally gets to with traditional sleep. From Swami Satyananda Sarasvati’s book Yoga Nidra:

“During the practice of yoga nidra, periodic bursts of alpha waves are interspersed between alternating periods of beta and theta predominance. This means that the consciousness is poised on the borderline between wakefulness and sleep for an extended period, fluctuating cyclically between extroversion and introversion. Extroversion leads to wakeful, sensory awareness, and introversion into dreaming sleep. By remaining aware and alert in the alpha predominant state between these two, a profound experience of total relaxation is gained, which is not only far more beneficial than conventional sleep, but is also the doorway to higher states of consciousness.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering what you would do with the head if you normally have the wobbly head issue&#8211;so a head seat belt would do the trick! </p>
<p>What you said at the end about a better but lighter sleep made me think of yoga nidra, as least from what I know about and have tried. It sounds like you are resting in a different brain wave than what one normally gets to with traditional sleep. From Swami Satyananda Sarasvati’s book Yoga Nidra:</p>
<p>“During the practice of yoga nidra, periodic bursts of alpha waves are interspersed between alternating periods of beta and theta predominance. This means that the consciousness is poised on the borderline between wakefulness and sleep for an extended period, fluctuating cyclically between extroversion and introversion. Extroversion leads to wakeful, sensory awareness, and introversion into dreaming sleep. By remaining aware and alert in the alpha predominant state between these two, a profound experience of total relaxation is gained, which is not only far more beneficial than conventional sleep, but is also the doorway to higher states of consciousness.”</p>
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